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Read this on the news today, really excited but I don't think we'll have access to them here.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/29/sany ... +(Engadget)

Or

http://www.eneloop.info/fileadmin/EDITO ... ubleX_.pdf

Costco may get them eventually.

I recently picked up some Gen 1 Eneloops and have just finished breaking them in on my new Maha C9000 charger and now this announcement! LOL, it is hard to stay current with tech these days.

My gen 1's are rated for 1000 charges, there is a new 1500 charge 2000 mAh gen 2 Eneloop, however I notice these new ones are only rated for 500 charges.

Here is a thread that talks in depth about the new XX Sanyo's:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/sho ... ht=eneloop

Anyone used these philips?

http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_ ... _id=034019

I checked on Candlepowerforums and did not come across this battery. I have Energizer, Ultra Pro's (TigerDirect) and Eneloops and the Eneloops are the only ones that hold close to their stated 2000 mAh. I am seeing degradation of 10-40% on the other brands. YMMV.

If it were me, I would go for Eneloops.

Those batteries are not hybrid type batteries anyway.

When you say Hybrid do you mean LSD type?

I asked the Sanyo guy at the Henry's show about the XX availability in Canada, he said Dell carries them.

Thanks Mike.

I just took a look on their site and all they seem to have listed right now is the gen 1 Eneloops.

Perhaps they will end up eventually on the link below:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/cate ... la=~3~2181

Sanyo XX is here

Sanyo XX 4xAA 2500mAh High Capacity Pre-Charged NiMH Rechargeable Batteries (HR-3UWX-4BP/XXAA4) $ 22.99




http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_ ... _id=036102

anyone bought anything from Xpress Canada before? The XX are listed $17.99 there:
http://www.xpresscanada.com/index.php/main/Product/BASA000132

Just placed my order:
Sanyo XX 4xAA 2500mAh High Capacity Pre-Charged NiMH Rechargeable Batteries (HR-3UWX-4BP/XXAA4) 1 BASA000132 $17.00

Subtotal: $17.00
Shipping: $5.99
HST: $2.99
Grand Total: $25.98

These will most likely go on sale at CC soon. I'll wait til it does. Don't need them that bad!

i imagine these batteries of of most importance for photographers that use their flash a lot.

I am wondering are they also suitable for devices like smoke/fire alarms, tv remotes, wireless mice ect.

Actually they are more important for devices such as smoke/fire alarms remotes etc.

When you use your flash a lot, you discharge the batteries really quickly. Shooting a wedding or event you can go through a few sets. How long they keep there charge is irrelevant in these situations because you are discharging them within hours.

When you use them for smoke alarms and tv remotes, the devices can sit there unused for days or weeks at a time, this is where batteries that hold their charge longer become more important.

These batteries make the most sense for casual flash users that use a flash unit once in a while and don't want to worry about charging them before every use and for devices such as remote control, wireless computer mice, fire alarms (as you mentioned).

Personally, I only use the AAA eneloops in my Yongnuo flash triggers because you have to change the batteries very very rarely.

These batteries are made for performance in high drain electronics like PS cameras, flashes, Mp3 players. You can still use them in smoke/fire alarms, tv remotes but you'll be wasting your money because you will not see any gains from this battery in those items.

It's like putting in super unleaded fuel in a Nissan Versa!

Lol that's going against everything I said. Am I confused about these batteries?

2500 mah = large amount of stored energy
+ very low dissipation rate
= a battery with lots of power that can sit dormant for a long time and not discharge

What about this says it's NOT perfect for tv remotes and fire alarms? I understand that you can put a non rechargeable battery in a remote and it'll last a year too, but if you want to go the rechargeable route, I would think these are perfect.

From what I understand (which could be wrong) the only people that will benefit from Eneloops and Eneloo-xx batteries are those that use them in devices that they use infrequently, or devices that can go on a set of batteries for a prolonged amount of time, because they take a very very long time to discharge. This is strictly a statement about THESE particular batteries and the fact that the only thing that sets them apart is the discharge rate.

Definitely NOT for smoke detectors/fire alarms!!!

You have to remember these are lower voltage than traditional alkalines, 1.2 vs 1.5 volts.

It doesn't sound much on its own, but when in multiples it's a big difference...for two it.s 2.4 vs 3v, for three it's 3.6 vs 4.5v!

And if your smoke alarm uses a 9v rectangular battery for a rechargeable version it only has 7.2V!

You should only use Eneloop XX IF the smoke detector was designed for lower voltage rechargeables.

BTW, a typical Alkaline AA battery has a mAh rating of 2700-2900mAh.

Ah.. thanks!

I have heard that standard speedlights recycle quicker with 1.2v rechargeable (4.8v total) rather than conventional 1.5v alkalines (6.0v total), although I am not sure why that is.

I use Gen 1 Eneloops in all my strobes (580EXII, Nikon SB-26, 430EZ) with no issues at all. It is reassuring to know if I reach for a strobe that has batteries in it that it will not be run down because it has been sitting around for a month or so.

As an aside, I have done a complete recycle of all my rechargeable batteries (TigerDirect Ultra, Energizers and now Eneloops) and the Eneloops consistently store up to or exceed their rated MaH rating of 2000 in all cases. The same cannot be said of other brands.

just as a quick update, I received this email today:

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Your order shipped out on Mar 10 2011
Tracking Website: http://www.fedex.com/

Please Track your shipment after 5:00 PM

http://www.xpresscanada.com/images/Logo.jpg
Online Department

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Fairly quick turn around. Not bad, and according to FedEx, I'll receive them tomorrow at 12pm.

I went to Canada Computers today and told them about XpressCanada's price on the XX, and the response I got was somewhere along the line of suggesting those being knock-offs. dont know how much anyone wants to read into that.

Smoke alarms are very low current devices but they depend on having enough voltage to operate correctly. Being a safety device the voltage in which the low voltage alarm is set conservatively high so there is lots of time (days or weeks) after they start beeping in the wee hours of the night before they stop working because of lack of voltage. That is if you put in batteries that start at 1.5 volts. By the time the voltage gets to 1.2v they have discharged to the point of over 70% of there useful lifetime.But if you put in batteries that start at 1.2 volts the low battery detection might be set very close to the staring level.

Flash units on the other hand recycle faster if they can draw more current from the power source. As they are only slightly dependent on the battery voltage the higher current availability with these batteries wins out over the slightly lower voltage. It's like a car battery it may charge to over 14.5 volts but if it can't put out the cranking power your stuck in the parking lot.

We'll see once I get them. I have gen1 enloops so I'll see what I can compare in a the coming little bit. Hopefully I didn't get knockoffs from Xpresscanada.

So interesting development when I got my package today... Xpresscanada and Canada Computers are the same place!

I don't know if anyone knew that but it was news to me...



That XpressCanada invoice was on the inside of that Canada Computers FedEx package

Ya I know! especially given the response they gave you at the store... brutal

You can read all about the conspiracy theory here:
http://forums.redflagdeals.com/canada-c ... -668313/2/

They are indeed the same company - good to know.

Nothing abnormal here. It's very common in the retail world. Sometimes it's because of acquisitions, sometimes different banners cater to different demographics, sometimes it's to create the illusion of competition. But knowing this information can have it's benefits - for example since Best Buy own Futureshop they rarely have the same sales on the same products at the same time BUT it is very likely that if you miss one sale at one banner then you can get it on sale at the other banner the next week.

Man, at least I know now... and that post was kinda old.

Thanks James!