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Doesn't really make sense for me...

I keep hearing about a Sony FF that will be less than $1000... not bad I say

I think manufacturers are trying to capture the prosumer market since there are a tonne out there in comparisons to people that actually know how to use a FF

I don't understand.

So exactly how do you use a FF? So all those ppl who used 35mm never really knew how to use FF?

sry, meant "use the full capabilities of the FF" since they have it

I know a few ppl that purchased FFs just cause they were the best thing they could get, and they don't use it at all... they use their iphones

Makes no sense at that price point if specs are true (lower mp, and slower fps, and no HD vids0.

Now if they introduced it as a little more than 2K body, slot between the 50D and 5DMK2.. that would get my vote!

I suspect that if the 7D is real and the price of that is slightly lower than the 5D (haven't read this specific one but seen that photo floating around the other day and some other details which is probably the same), I would maybe guess that this is a response to the D700. As it's been discussed previously, Nikon has been making each camera, whether it's entry level or pro level, almost have similar features, while Canon has elected to reserve certain features for the pro level, thus making the D700 a lot more attractive.

for 2700 i think a llot of people would opt to pay the 400-500 more to get a 5DII

I'd be glad if they came out with 12mp full frame under $2000 bye-bye EF-S lenses

I'm waiting to see exactly what feature set Canon will be including in the 7D. Even with their recent P&S announcements, they seem to be sticking to their philosophy of "lower price, fewer features". Nikon takes the D3's full-frame sensor, imaging pipeline, 51-point AF module, metering program and control set, then [i]adds[i] more battery options, optional grip, pop-up wireless flash commander, and sensor cleaning... and sells the D700 for $2000 less. They also put dual CF/SD slots into the D300s, which was a feature previously reserved only for Canon and Nikon's top-end models. Will Canon take note and start trickling down "pro" features into their lower-end bodies?

I just want 1080/30fps video on crop or ff but cheaper than 5dm2. hopefully in the $2000 area?

I like the theories of an entry-level full-frame, priced to compete with the Nikon D300s (~ $1800 USD). It makes sense, positioning-wise, as their lineup currently has a $1500 gap between the 50D and the 5Dmk2. Make it 12-15 MPx, give it the high ISO of the mk2 and the AF of the 40D/50D and son, you've got a sale.

I doubt it. Even when friends are asking what camera they should get, I'm basically saying the same thing I usually say but then I say "better bang for the buck with Nikon".

Either the pricepoint is wrong or Canon is smoking some real good stuff.

I'm seeing a second entry into the $2k FF war that's brewing (The Sony A850 being the first one).

The 7D would have to be in the $2K to $2.5K to be attractive.

agreed, nikon makes better prosumer cameras and canon has better marketing.
instead of laggy 30 fps video, i would rather to have a pro AF, like D300 has.

I don't know where you heard that. The consensus I read was sub 2k.

If this Canon 7D is true, it may be a response to the continued demand for the 5D mark 1, since people want full frame, but don't need 20+ MP.

The a850 is confirmed to have the same 24MP sensor as the a900, which from a development costs point of view is a freebie from the a900, but again, brings up the question about 20+ MP. I would love to see a 12MP FF Sony body.

Laggy 30fps? The only time 1080p capturing lags is when cheaper CF cards are used that can't sustain the required write rate. I wish they'd updated the firmware to support 24fps on the 5D MKII.

I don't think that should be an issue, as you can create 10mp RAW files with the 5D MKII.

I think it would be unwise of Canon to market out a sub $2K FF camera. The used 5D market is pretty hot, but most people are selling them to get the new 5D ... so if they can't get the money they're getting now there less likely to upgrade. A small stretch between the 50D and a 7D would surely kill some 50D sales.

I think the best marketing for Canon to do would be to get rid of the 1D series, and just make the 1Ds series the be all and end all. Have its FF resolution exceed match the processing speed of the 1D MKIII, but allow for 15mp and 10mp RAW files. They would sell more top bodies and lower their costs at the same time.

If Canon did that they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. 1D and 1Ds were designed for two different types of photographers. One for fashion/glamour and the other for journalism/sports photographers. One costs $8000 the other $4500. One is FF the other 1.3x crop. One shoots 5fps an the other 10fps. How do you close that gap? I guess if they could merge both benefits into 1 camera body but that would kill sales. There's pretty much one major reason why any manufacture won't put all the goodies into one camera body.... $$$

You've just described what the D3/D700 is doing to D3X sales.

Sony's apparently going to be announcing something on the 28th.

Any FF that sony will release with or w/o video will probably hit 1500-2000 USD.

Now all we need is the sub $2K full frame digital rangefinder. I won't hold my breath. The M9 will likely be $8 or $9K.

If done right a 12.1 M ff should have dynamite low light specifications. If the price is right this might be the start of the demise of the crop factor sensor in normal sized DSLRs.

Maybe I'm missing something. For those folks who are not concerned about video, based on those early specs, I can't see myself seriously looking at a 7D over a (much cheaper) 5D mark I. Unless the 7D ends up being on par with the 5D mark II in terms of light sensitivity, etc.

From CanonRumors.com
CR3 source..
September 1st release

Canon EOS 7D
- Dual DIGIC 4
- Built in Flash Master (Goodbye ST-E2)
- Full HD Video
- APS-C (1.6 Crop)
- Non Articulating LCD

3 New Lenses
- An L Macro will be released with the new Hybrid System
- One other is a non-L lens
- The third is a bit of a mystery still

This 7D would be perfect for me if the specs are right.

come on 1DV!!!!!

Built in flash master?

damn...

I really hate to jump on the rumor band wagon but dual DIGIC 4 yet only spits out 5fps (according to link from OP at 12.1MP)? Things don't really add up. I'll wait for official word...

Rumoured specs are just that. Rumours. They're all over the place. 7D rumour has been out there for several years, so wait and see what Canon says on September 1st. Personally a 1.6x in a xD-series lineup doesn't make any sense to me.

who can read chinese?

http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=n ... c&no=32110